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	<description>You know more than me, we know more than you, and wherever this all going, we're going there together.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.wirearchy.com/2006/06/10/a-heartfelt-screed/#comment-1254</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read that quote by Jensen before, on Dave Pollard's blog .. and commented on it, thusly:

I once was privileged to participate in a masterful session led by Miha Pogacnik, a world-class Slovenian classical violinist who uses classical music to intervene in / at conflict spots around the world.

He demonstrates (with violin, Beethoven and Bach, flip chart and coloured markers) during such presentation how the unfolding of compositions of classical music build up structure and order and then decompose and dis-integrate towards disorder .. reaching, eventually, what he calls "the Holy Zero Point" at which all hope of imposed control is lost.  The Holy Zero Point is followed then (and stories about this phenomenon can be found throughout history, tho' the resolution is not guaranteed) a move into what Pogacnik called "Productive Resignation".

At least I thought the session was masterful.  These ideas have stayed with me since.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read that quote by Jensen before, on Dave Pollard&#8217;s blog .. and commented on it, thusly:</p>
<p>I once was privileged to participate in a masterful session led by Miha Pogacnik, a world-class Slovenian classical violinist who uses classical music to intervene in / at conflict spots around the world.</p>
<p>He demonstrates (with violin, Beethoven and Bach, flip chart and coloured markers) during such presentation how the unfolding of compositions of classical music build up structure and order and then decompose and dis-integrate towards disorder .. reaching, eventually, what he calls &#8220;the Holy Zero Point&#8221; at which all hope of imposed control is lost.  The Holy Zero Point is followed then (and stories about this phenomenon can be found throughout history, tho&#8217; the resolution is not guaranteed) a move into what Pogacnik called &#8220;Productive Resignation&#8221;.</p>
<p>At least I thought the session was masterful.  These ideas have stayed with me since.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.wirearchy.com/2006/06/10/a-heartfelt-screed/#comment-1253</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a reasonable number of close friends who are European .. and have lived in europe.

As a generality, they tend to think Americans are barmy, and charmingly yet weirdly open about (if not proud to impose upon others)  their individual idiosyncratic neuroses.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a reasonable number of close friends who are European .. and have lived in europe.</p>
<p>As a generality, they tend to think Americans are barmy, and charmingly yet weirdly open about (if not proud to impose upon others)  their individual idiosyncratic neuroses.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.wirearchy.com/2006/06/10/a-heartfelt-screed/#comment-1252</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some days it's enough to make a grown person cry.  Musn't tho' .. that's girly-man stuff, being humanist and all that.

When will enough people get either angry enough, or tired of being scared ?

History doesn't bode well .. ever read "A Short History Of Progress", by Ronald Wright ?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some days it&#8217;s enough to make a grown person cry.  Musn&#8217;t tho&#8217; .. that&#8217;s girly-man stuff, being humanist and all that.</p>
<p>When will enough people get either angry enough, or tired of being scared ?</p>
<p>History doesn&#8217;t bode well .. ever read &#8220;A Short History Of Progress&#8221;, by Ronald Wright ?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.wirearchy.com/2006/06/10/a-heartfelt-screed/#comment-1251</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Oh little darlin’, how it saddened me to see you reach that moment of bitter realization about how the Real World really works

...

But the trick is not to abandon your heart. Don’t turn your back on your ideals.

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I hate to break it to you kid, but we’re the cavalry."

Resonates with this?

Beyond Hope by Derrick Jensen (via UFOB)

http://www.ufobreakfast.com/archive/00000925.htm

(recently added to

"Sleepwalking - and proposed solutions")

http://under.wealthbondage.com/node/43

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Are Americans are more inclined toward self-disclosure than any other people?  I don't have enough perspective to be confident in this, but it sure seems true.

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Haven't seen Pleasantville.  Must check it out.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh little darlin’, how it saddened me to see you reach that moment of bitter realization about how the Real World really works</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>But the trick is not to abandon your heart. Don’t turn your back on your ideals.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>I hate to break it to you kid, but we’re the cavalry.&#8221;</p>
<p>Resonates with this?</p>
<p>Beyond Hope by Derrick Jensen (via UFOB)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ufobreakfast.com/archive/00000925.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ufobreakfast.com/archive/00000925.htm</a></p>
<p>(recently added to</p>
<p>&#8220;Sleepwalking - and proposed solutions&#8221;)</p>
<p><a href="http://under.wealthbondage.com/node/43" rel="nofollow">http://under.wealthbondage.com/node/43</a></p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Are Americans are more inclined toward self-disclosure than any other people?  I don&#8217;t have enough perspective to be confident in this, but it sure seems true.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t seen Pleasantville.  Must check it out.</p>
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